{"id":4684,"date":"2020-12-18T20:19:20","date_gmt":"2020-12-18T20:19:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/oldsite.chha.ca\/?p=4684"},"modified":"2021-09-29T19:01:57","modified_gmt":"2021-09-29T19:01:57","slug":"interview-with-jeff-debbie-part-i","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/oldsite.chha.ca\/fr\/interview-with-jeff-debbie-part-i\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview with Jeff & Debbie: Part I"},"content":{"rendered":"

D\u00e9sol\u00e9, cet article est seulement disponible en Anglais Am\u00e9ricain<\/a>. Pour le confort de l\u2019utilisateur, le contenu est affich\u00e9 ci-dessous dans une autre langue. Vous pouvez cliquer le lien pour changer de langue active.<\/p>By Gordana Mosher<\/p>\n

In late October of this year, I had the pleasure of speaking with Jeff & Debbie, a couple that have continued to be an active part of the Hard of Hearing Community.\u00a0 After an exchange of emails where they shared with me parts of their story, I asked them if they would be open to an interview.\u00a0 An expected 45-minute interview lasted over an hour and a half, and even then, we still only scratched the surface.\u00a0 I want to thank Jeff & Debbie for being so open and candid with me.\u00a0 Here is the first part of our interview.\u00a0 <\/em><\/p>\n

Gordana<\/strong>: Again, thank you both for making yourselves available for this interview.\u00a0 I really enjoyed reading your story.\u00a0 I am excited to dig deeper and learn more about both of your experiences with hearing loss.\u00a0 But first, how has managing the impacts of the pandemic been for the two of you?<\/p>\n

Debbie<\/strong>: Well, interesting it\u2019s been quite an eye opener in a way that I never thought.\u00a0 We can hear people with their mask on since we have our cochlear implants!\u00a0 If we just had two hearing aids it would have been a real struggle for both of us, I think.\u00a0 But I am surprised that we can function so well, and an interesting thing we\u2019ve noticed is that people are more patient because it\u2019s not just us that struggle with understanding behind a mask.\u00a0 A lot of other people do too!\u00a0 So, when you ask someone to please repeat themselves, it\u2019s almost like this is the fact of life now!<\/p>\n

Jeff<\/strong>: And I would add to that.\u00a0 I gave blood yesterday and I struggled a little bit with one person I was interacting with, so It\u2019s not perfect, but as Debbie said it\u2019s a lot better.\u00a0 It would have been an absolute nightmare without a cochlear implant!\u00a0 Actually, my brother has got a hearing loss worse than mine and he has to ask someone to remove their mask, and a lot of people aren\u2019t comfortable doing that, unless there\u2019s barrier upon barrier.<\/p>\n

Before Covid-19 hit, we both were part of a local YMCA.\u00a0 Debbie is in really good shape.\u00a0 I\u2019m not in bad shape, but I\u2019m not in her league.\u00a0 We did a massive clean-up job in our attached garage. \u00a0We have a treadmill, bench, weights and other exercise equipment.\u00a0 And I have to say ever since the YMCA was closed, we are probably six days a week out there exercising.\u00a0 Now, a real test for us is \u2013 it\u2019s a heated garage, but that\u2019s a pretty \u201cloose\u201d term – come November, December, January, that\u2019s going to be more challenging!<\/p>\n

Debbie<\/strong>:\u00a0 We miss the camaraderie of going to the Y, or at least I do, but I found other ways to communicate such as online, and until it gets really cold, we get together with our neighbours outside with our blankets and around a fire pit, and we just join together that way as well.<\/p>\n

Jeff<\/strong>:\u00a0 We probably do one of these [virtual] calls two, three times a week.<\/p>\n

Debbie:<\/strong> We are watching a lot more webinars and getting a lot of information because many are captioned, and if they are not, we are able to follow along because there\u2019s usually one speaker.<\/p>\n

Jeff<\/strong>: Definitely!<\/p>\n

Gordana: <\/strong>Yes, I think one of the silver-linings of the pandemic is that it has demonstrate the importance and need for accessibility for all.\u00a0 For my next question, we are going to go back to childhood.\u00a0 I\u2019m going to start with you Jeff.\u00a0 Understanding that hearing loss has been a part of your family \u2013 your mother and older brother both having a hearing loss.\u00a0 Can you share with us broadly what the experience was like?<\/p>\n

Jeff: <\/strong>I think I do have a congenital hearing loss, but it didn\u2019t become apparent until grade 3 or 4.\u00a0 I actually got hearing aids, wore them for a week, chucked them away because I perceived that my friends were making fun of me.\u00a0 They weren\u2019t, I just didn\u2019t want to be different!\u00a0 I think, growing up in a pretty small city, like Cornwall, the only role models I had for people who had a hearing loss were my mom and my brother.\u00a0 This was in the \u201870s.\u00a0 Technology back then wasn\u2019t like it is today.<\/p>\n

Debbie:<\/strong> And even recognition or support in schools wasn\u2019t common.\u00a0 When I asked for support, I was told, \u201cWell you don\u2019t really need much because you seem so normal!\u201d<\/p>\n

Jeff:<\/strong> As an example, when my mom had her first type of hearing aid, it was basically this earpiece with a cord connected to a box that attached to her bra strap.\u00a0 She said it drove her insane, just the chafing of the skin!\u00a0 She had a significant bilateral loss, and when it became apparent that she would benefit from using two hearing aids – she didn\u2019t.\u00a0 You hear it all the time \u2013 people find wearing hearing aids very uncomfortable and don\u2019t like wearing one \u2013 so they don\u2019t!\u00a0 So, I saw that and also saw my brother not wearing a hearing aid either, so it was fine for me to be a \u201cnon-wearer\u201d as well.\u00a0 Unfortunately, I didn\u2019t really start getting the proper technology until I started paying for my own education. \u00a0Even then I started with a small \u201cin the ear\u201d hearing aid that was not strong enough – and that\u2019s where it came back to bite me!<\/p>\n

In optometry school, the first couple of years – times have changed now \u2013 were basic science – a lit bit of optics, chemistry, and anatomy studying and what not, but it was your third year that you actually started examining your fellow classmate\u2019s eyes.\u00a0 It was done mostly in semi lit or almost dark conditions, and given I was a lip reader – well I just felt overwhelmed by that!\u00a0 In the past, Debbie and I could get away with textbooks, or friends could loan us their notes, but when you\u2019re in a practical session, you have to be able to converse and understand, and I just couldn\u2019t do that!\u00a0 The Optometry Dean said I could come back when I was ready, but I just needed time to figure out what I was going to do – and I thought the Finance world would be the easiest and most comfortable solution for me.<\/p>\n

My saving grace growing up Adam was sports. I absolutely loved sports!\u00a0 I loved the interactions and competition, and yes I didn\u2019t hear what my teammates or coaches were saying sometimes, but most often it didn\u2019t cause a problem in the game or practice.<\/p>\n

Gordana: <\/strong>Thank you for sharing that, and you\u2019ve highlighted many pieces that I would like to touch more on.\u00a0 For now, I would like to turn it over to Debbie.\u00a0 Debbie, my understanding is that your experience was much different, as you didn\u2019t have other family members with a hearing loss.\u00a0 Can you tell me more about you and your family\u2019s response or reaction when you all found out about your hearing loss?<\/p>\n

Debbie<\/strong>: I was born with normal hearing, and I had normal hearing up until I was around 6 years old, when I started having ear infections.\u00a0 I was diagnosed with a very mild hearing loss that the doctor thought I wouldn\u2019t even notice.\u00a0 Fast forward to when I started to begin my teenage years, that\u2019s when my hearing really went down.\u00a0 The support from my family, was that they would just always answer for me, or try and help me that way or try and cover it up.\u00a0 We didn\u2019t really talk about it, and it was not something that we wanted people to know about.\u00a0 Someone would ask me a question, and my family would repeat it to me.\u00a0 It was like sort of hiding it.\u00a0 That was the environment I grew up in.\u00a0 It wasn\u2019t a mean environment; it was well meaning.\u00a0 So, my thought was just plow through, and just do what you can.\u00a0 I am just lucky that I had a lot of drive.\u00a0 I wanted to do things.\u00a0 When I was looking for a job, one of the headhunters said to me, \u201cWell, with your hearing loss all you can be is a file clerk!\u201d\u00a0 So I said:\u00a0 \u201cAlright, I\u2019ll be a file clerk\u201d so I was for a while until I found an ad in the paper that said the Toronto Police was an equal opportunity employer, and I thought \u201cOkay, that sounds good for me\u201d\u00a0 – and I applied and got the job, and for the rest of my career I worked for the police service.\u00a0 But back then, that was my mentality, you just sort of\u2026 hid it.<\/p>\n

Jeff:\u00a0 <\/strong>Just one little story I want to tell, it still sticks with me to this day!\u00a0 Grade 3 or 4, my whole class, we were led into a gymnasium, and there was this woman sitting at this table and she had some equipment with some headphones. What they were doing was quick hearing tests.\u00a0 When it came to me, she said, \u201cyou can\u2019t hear that?!\u201d\u00a0 And she pointed and said, \u201cI want you to go and stand over in the corner over there.\u201d\u00a0 So, I had to wait for all my classmates to finish being tested, and they were all snickering, and then the audiologist had me come back the next day.\u00a0 She did apologize to me for singling me out, but even to this today, it still bugs me a little, that insensitivity.<\/p>\n

Stay tuned for the next part of this interview, where Jeff & Debbie share with us how they met, their experiences with hearing aids, and the stigma they\u2019ve dealt with.<\/em>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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